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[Polyxena]

I wish we would stop debating "whose" Alexander is! This kind of coversation would be insulting for him. We are all members/visitors of "his" Forum and we should respect him. So, because one of his accomplishments was allowing his multicultural Empire to "rise above nationalism", at least we can try to "rise our own personalities above our own nationalism". Can we?Thanks

[jan]

Excellent! I noticed a previous message of yours in which you asked a question about his trip to Siwa and I had difficulty in posting a response. You asked if he was really son of Zeus. Supposedly, the oracle of Siwa had assured him that he was and that Olympias had been correct. This knowledge made him invincible.

[vagabond]

I lurk here but rarely post - don't usually feel qualified to state an opinion in such rarefied company - (congrats and kudos to almost all of you -usually very interesting, erudite and polite discussion).
I must say that I quite agree with you. I have run into several recent attempts by modern political entities to claim a historical figure (was J. Caesar Roman or Italian?)(was poet Mowlana Jalaluddin Rumi Turkish, Iranian, Persian, or...). Which modern country any historical figure "belongs to" is, in my opinion, a complete misunderstanding of everything that ought to be represented by history.
The ongoing discussion here is only a sign of the tolerance and patience of the modreators who have already posted, quite clearly:quote
...Inappropriate posts will be deleted without warning. Examples of inappropriate posts are:
The Greek/Macedonian debate ...
endquote

[beausefaless]

Tolerance and patience of the moderators is a admirable quality, unfortunately they do not always practice this type of virtue, I completely disagree with your end quote.

[Lazar]

Guys i am sorry if my post was "unappropriate" to you, but the only thing i did was, i was only trying to send the truth outthere about history of Macedonia and Macedonians.
I did'nt know that this group is so much biased towards Greekness of Macedonia, so much that nobody wants to hear the truth.
Considering that this is "greek" forum, i even wonder how my posts held up there for so long.
Anyway, the movie will get out weather we approved it or not, and after all we can judge the movie after we see it, not before that. Best Regards to everyone,
Lazar

[nick]

Sorry, I am not supposed to join in but let's state it clear:The Forum and pothos.org have NO bias at all towards the Greek-Macedonian debate.In fact (I think I speak for at least a few Forum users) the debate if Alexander should or could be referred to as being Greek - or not - is an highly interesting issue, as long as the debate is held for the sake of our understandig of history. The reason the debate is "banned" is because the discussion has much too often become derailed, inspiring name calling and abusive language.The moderators indeed tend to be patient with Greek-Macedonian debate postings - thank you for the compliments - as long as the postings contain decent language and at least show some effort to support interpretations with facts and arguments.But pothos.org has NO bias towards this debate. We treat Alexander as Alexander. That is it. We are here to discuss the man, the unique person, the single individual. In that light his 'nationality' is of no great concern to pothos.org.Regards -
Nick

[bill giannakos]

dear jan
the oracle wanted to say paidion and because they weren't greek they told paidios.pai dios means son of god but paidion means child.
regards bill

[Polyxena]

Dear Lazar,I've posted this message although I'm not a Greek ... so your theory about the "greekness" of this forum is wrong and there are many other here who can confirm that. Actually, this forum is dedicated to Alexander the Great and we are here to talk and learn more about his personality, his life, his good-bad features, his family, his accomplishments, his mistakes and yes; HIS blood-heritage and HIS ancestry, too. He was Alexander III of Macedon, the King of the ancient Macedonian kingdom, and that's it. We are not "privileged" to talk it further nor to mix the ancient times with the modern ones. Best regards, Poliksena

[Dimitrios Poliorketes]

I agree 100% that the focus here should be Alexander the Great and as you said his blood heritage and ancestry are indeed revelent. With that in mind it is clear that Alexander considered himself a decendent of the lengendary Achilles and a direct decendent of Zeus.His mission was indeed that of a Homeric hero and his obsessive identication with Achilles is indeed proof as his habit of sleeping with a copy of the Illiad by side during his entire mission as well as his paying cerimonial tribute to Achilles and the other Greek heros of upon visting the site of Troy.What is clear
to most historians is that the Macedonian Greeks remained in the Homeric age while the rest the southern Greeks developed over time more urbane
city state society from their original Homeric Mycenean origins.By the time of Classical Greece these old Homeric Monarchal institutions were out dated and obselete although the Homeric institutions remained in other northern Greek states such as Epirus. Historians Wilken,Robin Lane ,Errington,Hammond and even Peter Green (a admitted revisionist) show the strong parrells between Homeric Mycenean Greece and Macedonia.Archeological evidence verifys those positions.To understand the Macedonian Kingdom one must comprehend Homer.Their entire society was organized along Homeric lines.The Historian Ulrich Wilken does an excellent job of highlighting this evidence in Chapter 2 of his Alexander book. A study of Alexander with out mentioning his love of the Illiad and his motive to live out the character of Achilles is incomplete.

[Lazar]

Dear Nick, As you can read in the post of Mr. Dimitrios, he is painting ALL Macedonians with Greek color.
My posts were not offensive to anybody, i did not painted Greeks with Macedonian paint, i just have posted links so everybody can visit them and read from the Ancient Historian's Quotes about distinction between Macedonians and Greeks.
As a contrast to all my posts, you have Dimitrios, Bill, Stavros and other's posts clearly attacking ethnicity of the Macedonians, and obviously their posts are not deleted.
All i want is to help other people understand that there are many, many Greek propagandists all over the internet who are trying to Greecize the Macedonians. That's why my message was and will be that anyone who wants to know the truth, should visit the links i have provided, and read more about the History of Macedonia, which website is based only on Non-Macedonian sources (UNBIASED).
After all, Macedonia and Macedonians were not extinct after Alexander III of Makedon. They still live and dwell today and are very proud Nation.
Unfortunatelly, we are attacked from many sides from people who want to steal our history, heritage, ancestry and everything which is Macedonian, and they know why...? (i do not want to get into politics here).
But, accepting ad-hock that ATG was Greek, and all Macedonians are Greeks just because some propagandist said that, I don't think so.

Best Regards to you Nick and to all members of this forum,

Lazar, Macedonian (non-Greek)

[Polyxena]

Hi,Alexander "considered himself" a son of Ammon-Ra and his mother, Olympias, "considered" the same... so, was he an Egyptian? Or, afterwards... when he came to India and when he discovered their religious cults, he "considered himself" a son of Shiva... was he an Indian than .... or he "considered" to become a God of all nations. So, it's not a question what he "considered himself" to be, but what he really was. Regards

[maciek]

Hi!What Nick said is true. I'm not Greek but I like to be here also and shere my opinions, one thing which strucks me in Your post is that You want to say the truth. Well we are saing opinions and then discuss it. Whole thing has many interesting details but it is not so straight and we can have different opinions because there was many controvercies about it and they still are. Even in Alex's times the matter was not simple so how now it could be easier?Regards
Maciek M