The 10 horned beast

[maximus]

Hello
Although i mite not be makin any friends by posting this thread on an Alexander the Great Website i would just like to refer back to the Book of Revelation in the Bible. It describes Alexander as the 10 Horned Beast, not something very flattering as you can imagine. I think that with our obsession and knowledge of Alexander we must remeber that he was still a dictator and tolerated only the most stereotypical iews, ideals and religions.
Thank you
Ben

[marcus]

I don't think you'll necessarily make any enemies with this. I would like to pick you up on your last comment, however - could you clarify what you mean by 'stereotypical'? I would say that Alexander was very tolerant of other religions, and possibly of other 'views and ideas' (depending on what you mean by that - views could mean 'world views' or 'culture' and therefore something very different from, say Cleitus' 'view' that Alexander was rejecting Philip and orientalising)All the bestMarcus

[THE LIGHT 7000]

Hi,GǪthere is a need of clarifications about some issues that Marcus are rightly asking from you, re: your GÇ£ point of viewGÇ¥, and yes- you must make distinction GǪGǪMy point here is mainly about your direct statement, which one can see in other places. So, if Alexander was 10, or more horned beast, how come that in The Bible, Book of Makiavei, there is entry that GÇ£:GǪ when Israel (i.e. Israeli people), went together with Antioch (Makedonian Dynasty from Syria,,,), Israel has become more prosperousGǪ, and Makiavei with his sons went on Zion to Fight Israeli and AntiochGǪGÇ¥ . So, if mixing trade, friendship, cultures, etc., is giving one prosperous life, and prosperity of Mankind in general, and that was founded by Alexander, than why this noble person should be GÇ£beastGÇ¥(!!!?) , and why those against prosperity of all, therefore mankind in general should be GÇ£angelsGÇ¥ (we do not know what color, GǪ!?). So what is the logic here, one who is helping mankind in general and is proved to be progressive, to be GÇ£beastGÇ¥ , and those against mankind and prosperity to be GÇ£not beastsGÇ¥, and what is the sense they to have copyright to name those persons as such (!?), what is the standard of morality,GǪwhere is the logic and furthermore -WHY WE SHOULD ACCEPT IT AS A TRUE - STILL!?!Apparently someone want to destroy every possible GOOD in mankind, and with brainwashing to mix standards so could rule in the dark. That is why this World is changing towards what was once laid by Alexander and Fillip of Makedonia, because they proved that the only way out of misery and better future for all, is GÇôYES-Universal Brotherhood of Man, GodsGÇÖ WillGǪ
PS ..visions, astral traveling, GǪ could be very tricky if one is not entitled to GǪ.
The Light 7000

[yiannis]

Still it's interesting to see that Alexander has influenced even the Apocalypse and the prophecies:"After this I kept looking, and behold, another one, like a leopard, which had on its back four wings of a bird; the beast also had four heads, and dominion was given to it." Daniel 7:6http://focusonjerusalem.com/theidentityofthe7.htmlhttp://www.prophecywatch.com/articles/7_heads_ ... r_t46.html

[Nax]

Hey Ben,The thing is, not everyone buys that the bible is the actual, real, untouched unchanged word of god or whatever. Its been tampered with and rewritten enough times by so many people that its ridiculous to think its unaltered What's the saying "First, there's God. All else is commentary"? I read that somewhere and it really stuck, I think it was a rabbi. What he meant was, all the stuff written down is INTERPRETATION by fallible people. So an Alexander happens and everyone goes AH HA!!!! The Bible's right about the beast or a disaster happens and everyone says AH HA we were RIGHT about Sodom (and that's a WHOLE lotta interpretation happening there!!!!) So everyone makes the bible fit THEIR interpretation of the past or present depending on what THEY see the world like.

[Nax]

>Apparently someone want to destroy every possible >GOOD in mankind, and with brainwashing to mix >standards so could rule in the dark. That is why this >World is changing towards what was once laid by >Alexander and Fillip of Makedonia, because they >proved that the only way out of misery and better >future for all, is GÇôYES-Universal Brotherhood of Man, >GodsGÇÖ WillGǪApparently someone want to destroy every possible >GOOD in mankind, and with brainwashing to mix >standards so could rule in the dark. That is why this >World is changing towards what was once laid by >Alexander and Fillip of Makedonia, because they >proved that the only way out of misery and better >future for all, is GÇôYES-Universal Brotherhood of Man, >GodsGÇÖ WillGǪApparently someone want to destroy every possible >GOOD in mankind, and with brainwashing to mix >standards so could rule in the dark. That is why this >World is changing towards what was once laid by >Alexander and Fillip of Makedonia, because they >proved that the only way out of misery and better >future for all, is GÇôYES-Universal Brotherhood of Man, >GodsGÇÖ WillGǪGOOD in mankind, and with brainwashing to mix >standards so could rule in the dark. That is why this >World is changing towards what was once laid by >Alexander and Fillip of Makedonia, because they >proved that the only way out of misery and better >future for all, is GÇôYES-Universal Brotherhood of Man, >GodsGÇÖ WillGǪGOOD in mankind, and with brainwashing to mix >standards so could rule in the dark. That is why this >World is changing towards what was once laid by >Alexander and Fillip of Makedonia, because they >proved that the only way out of misery and better >future for all, is GÇôYES-Universal Brotherhood of Man, >GodsGÇÖ WillGǪstandards so could rule in the dark. That is why this >World is changing towards what was once laid by >Alexander and Fillip of Makedonia, because they >proved that the only way out of misery and better >future for all, is GÇôYES-Universal Brotherhood of Man, >GodsGÇÖ WillGǪstandards so could rule in the dark. That is why this >World is changing towards what was once laid by >Alexander and Fillip of Makedonia, because they >proved that the only way out of misery and better >future for all, is GÇôYES-Universal Brotherhood of Man, >GodsGÇÖ WillGǪWorld is changing towards what was once laid by >Alexander and Fillip of Makedonia, because they >proved that the only way out of misery and better >future for all, is GÇôYES-Universal Brotherhood of Man, >GodsGÇÖ WillGǪWorld is changing towards what was once laid by >Alexander and Fillip of Makedonia, because they >proved that the only way out of misery and better >future for all, is GÇôYES-Universal Brotherhood of Man, >GodsGÇÖ WillGǪAlexander and Fillip of Makedonia, because they >proved that the only way out of misery and better >future for all, is GÇôYES-Universal Brotherhood of Man, >GodsGÇÖ WillGǪAlexander and Fillip of Makedonia, because they >proved that the only way out of misery and better >future for all, is GÇôYES-Universal Brotherhood of Man, >GodsGÇÖ WillGǪproved that the only way out of misery and better >future for all, is GÇôYES-Universal Brotherhood of Man, >GodsGÇÖ WillGǪproved that the only way out of misery and better >future for all, is GÇôYES-Universal Brotherhood of Man, >GodsGÇÖ WillGǪfuture for all, is GÇôYES-Universal Brotherhood of Man, >GodsGÇÖ WillGǪfuture for all, is GÇôYES-Universal Brotherhood of Man, >GodsGÇÖ WillGǪGodsGÇÖ WillGǪGodsGÇÖ WillGǪHey Vasko, this is weird cuz I've heard this before- that "great" men and women were being deliberately cut down or made less by lesser people so the world would forget what Good was and lesser people could be viewed as better than they were cuz the standards would be so low. At the time I thought the people saying it were HEH HEH flakes Ok I was overhearing a private conversation but hey! people shouldn't talk in public if they don't wanna be overheard >PS ..visions, astral traveling, GǪ could be very >tricky if one is not entitled to GǪ.PS ..visions, astral traveling, GǪ could be very >tricky if one is not entitled to GǪ.PS ..visions, astral traveling, GǪ could be very >tricky if one is not entitled to GǪ.tricky if one is not entitled to GǪ.tricky if one is not entitled to GǪ.So what are ya saying? That good old St John wasn't entitled to his visions or didn't understand em? Or maybe that other people shouldn't try to figure out what he meant or what?

[jona]

The Ten-horned beast is in Daniel, actually.Jona

[THE LIGHT 7000]

Hi,...First, you are mixing things without any knowledge what so ever about what are you talking, and naming holy persons with no reason, more than that, falsly using their names is not allowed... It is foolish, because could lead towards many misinterpretations...That is why the holly books have so many interpretations, not because of Daniel and others, but because of somone/many like you...... Secondly, what I am talking is my problem, and I am talking with facts and what I am entitled to... so the last fact what I am talking is that the beast vanished,...and I can say only this: yes- vanishing of G-7 dictatorship and maybe G-8, and establishing G-77 in UN, small independent nations who are saying- no more dictatorship... This world will have ONE who will rule, and that is Mankind in General- transformation of UN, yes- Universal Brotherhood of Man, ...Just sit back and relax, wach the movie, ha ha ha, prophecy is fullfilling...All the bestThe light 7000

[Nax]

>First, you are mixing things without any knowledge what so ever about what are you talking, and naming holy persons with no reason, more than that, falsly using their names is not allowed... It is foolish, because could lead towards many misinterpretations...That is why the holly books have so many interpretations, not because of Daniel and others, but because of somone/many like you...First, you are mixing things without any knowledge what so ever about what are you talking, and naming holy persons with no reason, more than that, falsly using their names is not allowed... It is foolish, because could lead towards many misinterpretations...That is why the holly books have so many interpretations, not because of Daniel and others, but because of somone/many like you...First, you are mixing things without any knowledge what so ever about what are you talking, and naming holy persons with no reason, more than that, falsly using their names is not allowed... It is foolish, because could lead towards many misinterpretations...That is why the holly books have so many interpretations, not because of Daniel and others, but because of somone/many like you...Wait the heck a minute here doc.. YOU don't seem to know what YOU're talking about! I wasn't mixing things up I was commenting on something I had heard that kind of matched what YOU said.. who the heck are YOU to decide I"M wrong or foolish? A discussion usually means each person gets to express an opinion not that everyone has to immediately agree and furthermore, if a person doesn't express themselves clearly its OKAY to question, add, or comment until everyone understands. You came off kinda arrogant just then, doc With interpretations, excuse me but it sounds like you're saying that only YOUR interpretation is right? .>.. Secondly, what I am talking is my problem, and I am talking with facts and what I am entitled to..... Secondly, what I am talking is my problem, and I am talking with facts and what I am entitled to..... Secondly, what I am talking is my problem, and I am talking with facts and what I am entitled to...I WAS trying to understand you, but now I think uh-huh- Uh, I think everyone here is entitled to talk with facts as they see them, just like you.. not everyone HAS to believe like you're the Last Word> so the last fact what I am talking is that the beast vanished,...and I can say only this: yes- vanishing of G-7 dictatorship and maybe G-8, and establishing G-77 in UN, small independent nations who are saying- no more dictatorship.. so the last fact what I am talking is that the beast vanished,...and I can say only this: yes- vanishing of G-7 dictatorship and maybe G-8, and establishing G-77 in UN, small independent nations who are saying- no more dictatorship.. so the last fact what I am talking is that the beast vanished,...and I can say only this: yes- vanishing of G-7 dictatorship and maybe G-8, and establishing G-77 in UN, small independent nations who are saying- no more dictatorship..This is what I mean.. G7 G8 G 77 for all I know those are US gov't job levels so what does that MEAN????. This world will have ONE who will rule, and that is Mankind in General- transformation of UN, yes- Universal Brotherhood of Man, ...Just sit back and relax, wach the movie, ha ha ha, prophecy is fullfilling...WHatever But if you're the best example of the kind of leadership we can expect, I'd tag that tyranny and say no thanks This is supposed to be a discussion board. That means if you post something, it's open to discussion

[jan]

Well, I can disagree with this as Alexander is preChrist, and St. John who is of Christ four centuries after Alexander is who is responsible for the book of Revelations so I do not believe that Alexander can be depicted as the ten horned beast! The book of Revelations is supposed to be about future events and is also supposed to figurative rather than literal in interpretation!

[jona]

The texts is not from the Revelation, but from Daniel (7:7). This book -a true literary monument- has the form of a series of very impressive visions, which predict what will happen to the Jews in the second century. Many of these predictions had already come true when the book was written (in about 165 BCE). The person who read it, would think that after so many predictions had come true, the description of the future would be reliable too.The author's view on the future is as follows. After the Babylonian empire (symbolized by the first beast), the world will see the Median empire (a bear) and the Persian empire (a leopard). Then:"After this I saw in the night visions, and behold, a fourth beast, dreadful and terrible, and strong exceedingly; and it had great iron teeth. It devoured, and broke in pieces, and stamped the residue with the feet of it; and it was diverse from all the beasts that were before it, and it had ten horns."This is the Macedonian empire, which is European and diverse from all that was before it. Alexander (who is presented as a ram in another vision) is the fourth beast, who destroys everything, and the horns are the Seleucid kings. The vision becomes very strange when the tenth horn starts to talk and blaspheme. This is king Antiochus IV, who persecuted the Jews.In another vision, we read about "the king of the north" and "the king of the south", who wage wars that are similar to the Syrian wars. However, after ca. 165, the predictions derail and events are described that do not take place. This is how we know the date.Jona

[THE LIGHT 7000]

Hi,You have said that not me...Again- facts- Daniel was before Alexander...
St. John was almost 300 years after...Can you see the diference now- capish...So think twice and be wise, before entering somthing that is unknown to you, and this are very sensitive issues, so discusing in this manner as you are adressing them- sorry but is totally childish..., and out of this forum, ...!WHY- again, St. John and Christianity was after Alexander, Daniel before...! For the rest ...well, as I said, sit back and relex-... get one drink on me, good King, ha ha ha...!
The Light 7000

[Nax]

Someone mentioned revelation I was tagging into that get a grip doc and stop being childish and arrogant yourself you're not the only one who reads the bible or Koran but obviously you DO think you're the 'one true interpreter".. gee, you and the catholic church- how droll you'll have to fight for supremacy
Yeah, petty tyrants don't sell well everywhere but your own mind capish thatI won't say more- my silence means youre not worth the effort

[amyntoros]

Now Josephus says:"And when the book of Daniel was showed him, wherein Daniel declared that one of the Greeks should destroy the Persians, he supposed that he himself was the person intended; and as he was then glad, he dismissed the multitude for the present, but the next day he called them to him, and bade them ask what favours they pleased of him; whereupon the high priest desired that they might enjoy the laws of their forefathers, and might pay no tribute on the seventh year."Now from what you are saying about the origins of the book of Daniel, even if one threw caution to the winds and decided that Alexander might actually have visited Jerusalem, the high priest could not have shown Alexander the book of Daniel, as it hadn't yet been written. Interesting.

[jona]

This is one of the points where religious belief and critical history clash. As a historian, I must conclude that the book of Daniel dates to the years immediately before the Maccabaean revolt; but believers (like Josephus) are of course entitled to a different opinion.Jona