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Re: New Book - GÇ£THE DESCENDANTS OF ALEXANDER THE GREAT OF
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Re: New Book - GÇ£THE DESCENDANTS OF ALEXANDER THE GREAT OF
EVEN YOUR OWN SOURCES DISAGREE WITH YOU AND ITS VERY OBVIOUS YOU DID NOT READ WILKEN OR PETER GREEN"S BOOK Ulrich Wilcken's book "Alexander the Great" FROM WILKENS BOOK
It seems more and more certain that the Macedonians were a Greek tribe related to the Dorians. However, as they stayed high up in the distant north, they could not participate in the progress of civilization of the Greek people that migrated southward...". Ul. Wilcken, Alexandre le Grand, op. cit., p. 33:"A strong Illyrian and Thracian influence can thus be recognized in Macedonian speech and manners. These however are only trifles compared with the Greek character of the Macedonian nationality; for example the names of the true full blooded Macedonians, especially of the princes and nobles, are purely Greek in their formation and sounds." Ulrich Wilcken, "Alexander the Great", Norton & Company, 1967"And yet when we take into account the political conditions, religion and morals of the Macedonians, our conviction is strengthened that they were a Greek race akin to the Dorians." Ulrich Wilcken, "Alexander the Great", Norton publications, 1967. From Peter Green's book Peter Green, Professor of Classics at the University of Texas. CHAPTER 1 PG 5The AREGEADS themselves ,as we have seen headed their pedigree with HERACLES like any MYCENEAN DYNAST,both Zeus and Heracles appear regularly on Phillips coinageMacedonia like SPARTA preserved institutions which lapsed else where Lyncestis was ruled by the Bacciad Dynasty who moved to MACEDONIA from CORINTH in 657 BC where these powerful Princes in a true HOMERIC TRADITIONWho Were (and Are) the Macedonians by Eugene Borza AND EVEN BORZA STATES RELUCTANLY From the Book Makedonika
pp 149-58 Ethnicity and Cultural Policy at Alexander's Court
by Eugene Borza
First , the matter of the Hellenic origins of the Macedonians:Nicholas Hammond's general conclusion that the origin of the Macedonians lies in the pool of proto-Hellenic speakers who migrated out of the Pindus mountains during the Iron Age is acceptable.
Arrian The Campaigns of AlexanderAlexander III (the Great) talking to the king of the Persians says: (Arrian, Anabasis of Alexander II,14,4) "Your ancestors invaded Macedonia and the rest of Greece and did us great harm, though we had done them no prior injury [...] I have been appointed hegemon of the Greeks [...] "
Plutarch -He [Alexander he Great]
It seems more and more certain that the Macedonians were a Greek tribe related to the Dorians. However, as they stayed high up in the distant north, they could not participate in the progress of civilization of the Greek people that migrated southward...". Ul. Wilcken, Alexandre le Grand, op. cit., p. 33:"A strong Illyrian and Thracian influence can thus be recognized in Macedonian speech and manners. These however are only trifles compared with the Greek character of the Macedonian nationality; for example the names of the true full blooded Macedonians, especially of the princes and nobles, are purely Greek in their formation and sounds." Ulrich Wilcken, "Alexander the Great", Norton & Company, 1967"And yet when we take into account the political conditions, religion and morals of the Macedonians, our conviction is strengthened that they were a Greek race akin to the Dorians." Ulrich Wilcken, "Alexander the Great", Norton publications, 1967. From Peter Green's book Peter Green, Professor of Classics at the University of Texas. CHAPTER 1 PG 5The AREGEADS themselves ,as we have seen headed their pedigree with HERACLES like any MYCENEAN DYNAST,both Zeus and Heracles appear regularly on Phillips coinageMacedonia like SPARTA preserved institutions which lapsed else where Lyncestis was ruled by the Bacciad Dynasty who moved to MACEDONIA from CORINTH in 657 BC where these powerful Princes in a true HOMERIC TRADITIONWho Were (and Are) the Macedonians by Eugene Borza AND EVEN BORZA STATES RELUCTANLY From the Book Makedonika
pp 149-58 Ethnicity and Cultural Policy at Alexander's Court
by Eugene Borza
First , the matter of the Hellenic origins of the Macedonians:Nicholas Hammond's general conclusion that the origin of the Macedonians lies in the pool of proto-Hellenic speakers who migrated out of the Pindus mountains during the Iron Age is acceptable.
Arrian The Campaigns of AlexanderAlexander III (the Great) talking to the king of the Persians says: (Arrian, Anabasis of Alexander II,14,4) "Your ancestors invaded Macedonia and the rest of Greece and did us great harm, though we had done them no prior injury [...] I have been appointed hegemon of the Greeks [...] "
Plutarch -He [Alexander he Great]
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lazar
Re: New Book - GÇ£THE DESCENDANTS OF ALEXANDER THE GREAT OF
I pointed out Wilcken as a non - consistent in his projections toward Greek - Macedonian Distinction, which means it is non - reliable source.
In his book He has lot of non - consistencies. However He also has a lot of Differentiations pointed clearly out in folowing lines:
Differentiation is obvious in the following passages: p.69, line 26, p.128, line 28, p.129, line 21, p.150, line 12, p.168, line 32, p.169, line 2, p.193 line 11, p.177, line 3, etc.]
Line 8, p. 44, we follow:
"Philip was the Hegemon, the federal general, selected for life by the congress. His kingdom of Macedon naturally did not belong to the Hellenic League..."
In his book He has lot of non - consistencies. However He also has a lot of Differentiations pointed clearly out in folowing lines:
Differentiation is obvious in the following passages: p.69, line 26, p.128, line 28, p.129, line 21, p.150, line 12, p.168, line 32, p.169, line 2, p.193 line 11, p.177, line 3, etc.]
Line 8, p. 44, we follow:
"Philip was the Hegemon, the federal general, selected for life by the congress. His kingdom of Macedon naturally did not belong to the Hellenic League..."
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lazar
Re: New Book - GÇ£THE DESCENDANTS OF ALEXANDER THE GREAT OF
Peter Greens book is a lot bigger then a one paragraph:
"No one had forgotten that Alexander I, known ironically as the philhellene, had been debarred from the Olympic Games until he manufactured a pedigree connecting the Argeads with the ancient Argive kings." [p.7] Hdt 5.22; Justin 7.22And though Philip did not give a fig for Panhellenism as an idea, he at once saw how it could be turned into highly effective camouflage (a notion which his son subsequently took over ready-made). Isocrates had, unwittingly, supplied him with the propaganda-line he needed. From now on he merely had to clothe his Macedonian ambitions in a suitable Panhellenic dress." [p.50The Greek states were to make a common peace and alliance with one another, and constitute themselves into a federal Hellenic League. Simultaneously, the league was to form a separate alliance with Macedonia, though Macedonia itself would not be a league member." [p.86]
[Macedonians were not Hellenes, nor were they uniting the Greek states.]
"Most Greek statesmen recognized this only too well. To them, their self-styled hegemon was still a semi-barbarian autocrat, whose wishes had been imposed on them by right of conquest; and when Alexander succeeded Philip, he inherited the same bitter legacy of hatred and resentment - which his own policies did little to dispel." [p.87]
[How ironic for you, modern Greeks, to contradict your GÇ£eldersGÇ¥]
"In the early spring of 336, an advance force of 10,000 men, including a thousand cavalry, crossed over to Asia Minor. Its task was to secure the Hellespont, to stockpile supplies, and in Philip's pleasantly cynical phrase, to 'liberate the Greek cities'." [p.98]
[Cynical phrase: to "liberate the Greek cities".]
"Only the Spartans held aloof. The traditions of their country, they informed the king, did not allow them to serve under a foreign leader. (So much for Macedonia's pretensions to Hellenism.) Alexander did not press the point....." [p.121]
[You claim that ancient Macedonians were "Hellenes.". Apparently you know more than the ancient Greeks themselves.]
(Regarding the news of Alexander's death.)
"If anyone had doubts about the report, he quickly supressed them: this, after all, was just what every patriotic Greek had hoped and prayed might happen." [p.136]
[A bit strange, given today's revisionism. Ancient Greeks celebrating the death of their alleged unifier?]
Regards
"No one had forgotten that Alexander I, known ironically as the philhellene, had been debarred from the Olympic Games until he manufactured a pedigree connecting the Argeads with the ancient Argive kings." [p.7] Hdt 5.22; Justin 7.22And though Philip did not give a fig for Panhellenism as an idea, he at once saw how it could be turned into highly effective camouflage (a notion which his son subsequently took over ready-made). Isocrates had, unwittingly, supplied him with the propaganda-line he needed. From now on he merely had to clothe his Macedonian ambitions in a suitable Panhellenic dress." [p.50The Greek states were to make a common peace and alliance with one another, and constitute themselves into a federal Hellenic League. Simultaneously, the league was to form a separate alliance with Macedonia, though Macedonia itself would not be a league member." [p.86]
[Macedonians were not Hellenes, nor were they uniting the Greek states.]
"Most Greek statesmen recognized this only too well. To them, their self-styled hegemon was still a semi-barbarian autocrat, whose wishes had been imposed on them by right of conquest; and when Alexander succeeded Philip, he inherited the same bitter legacy of hatred and resentment - which his own policies did little to dispel." [p.87]
[How ironic for you, modern Greeks, to contradict your GÇ£eldersGÇ¥]
"In the early spring of 336, an advance force of 10,000 men, including a thousand cavalry, crossed over to Asia Minor. Its task was to secure the Hellespont, to stockpile supplies, and in Philip's pleasantly cynical phrase, to 'liberate the Greek cities'." [p.98]
[Cynical phrase: to "liberate the Greek cities".]
"Only the Spartans held aloof. The traditions of their country, they informed the king, did not allow them to serve under a foreign leader. (So much for Macedonia's pretensions to Hellenism.) Alexander did not press the point....." [p.121]
[You claim that ancient Macedonians were "Hellenes.". Apparently you know more than the ancient Greeks themselves.]
(Regarding the news of Alexander's death.)
"If anyone had doubts about the report, he quickly supressed them: this, after all, was just what every patriotic Greek had hoped and prayed might happen." [p.136]
[A bit strange, given today's revisionism. Ancient Greeks celebrating the death of their alleged unifier?]
Regards