Baghdad, Persian or Mecedonian?

[Cyrus]

Baghdad means "Given by God" in both Persian and Macedonian languages (Persian "Bagh" [Old Persian "Baga"] = Macedonian "Boga" = God & Persian "Dad" [Old Persian "Dat"] = Macedonian "Dati" = to Give) and it was the Persian name of Bagoas, the lover of both Darius and Alexander.

[matz]

Baghdad means "Given by God" in both Persian and Macedonian languages (Persian "Bagh" [Old Persian "Baga"] = Macedonian "Boga" = God & Persian "Dad" [Old Persian "Dat"] = Macedonian "Dati" = to Give) and it was the Persian name of Bagoas, the lover of both Darius and Alexander.A small correction:
"To give" in Macedonian is "Dade", and not "Dati".
God-Give would therefore be Bog-Dade.

[matz]

"Dati" seems to be an older version of the same verb, still present in serbian, russian and some other.

[stavros]

whats your point?

[marcus]

It's interesting, but as Baghdad wasn't founded until the eighth century AD, I have to agree with Stavros that I'm not sure what the point is.It does seem likely that the name comes from Persian - although I have also seen it translated as "Garden of Justice" (From other meanings of the same words). The fact that it means the same in Macedonian is a result of the spread of Indo-European languages - it's almost the same in Russian, too (apparently - I don't speak Russian myself).All the bestMarcus

[Cyrus]

"It's interesting, but as Baghdad wasn't founded until the eighth century AD, I have to agree with Stavros that I'm not sure what the point is."I don't talk about the city of Baghdad but the Persian name of Bagoas. http://www.google.com/search?hl=en&lr=& ... e"although I have also seen it translated as "Garden of Justice" (From other meanings of the same words)."If you mean Baagh (Garden) and Dat (Justice/Law), these two words are certainly Persian too. "Dat" is a very old Persian word which has been entered in Hebrew. http://encyclopedia.thefreedictionary.com/Judeo-Persian

[THE LIGHT 7000]

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[THE LIGHT 7000]

GǪIn other words this entry is giving you some orientation about AlexanderGÇÖs intelligence, divinity but also humanity. He was after what was HIS from the past, i.e. His ancient fatherland. That is why he knew so much about this region, that is why He crossed Danube, GǪ that is why he gave it back to the people -same as was once. However, somebody did not like it, so from than instead: Unite and let people to rule with one God in the Heavens and One King on Earth, than/now: Divided et Impera and GÇ£just war strategyGÇ¥ came , with devastating effects until today, with people discovering more and more sophisticated weapons for self-destruction and never-ending warGǪ GÇ£So it all ends nowGÇ¥, that was what Alexander was doing, like someone else with the help of many around the globe today!!!So this is nothing to do with megalomania, GÇ£or one is stilling from other something that belongs to him/themGÇ¥, but is about our common roots, GÇ£plantingGÇÖ dialogue and the truth that ONCE WE WERE BROTHERHOOD OF MAN,GǪ it is time for us to be the same again,
GǪ..donGÇÖt you think soGǪ.May Peace Prevail on Earth For EverWith all my Love truth and lightThe light 7000

[Link]

Thank you for that clarification. I was of the view a while back that father was a part of the meaning from Kalasha- dada, Khowar- tat.cheersOLD MACEDONIANGLISH Koen iyas sam gnayan aza to shwo iyasWhen i's am knowan as to what i's vizden aza tia gorosali gramatik rekoi odviewed as the colossal gramatik reckons ofMakedonsi histori, verieve moy velot sestra,Makedon's history, believe my word sister,brator, keyull gnayall totalno onadto shwo iyas brother, you'll knowall totally on to what i's vidu aza chisto voda. viewed as chaste water.

[marcus]

Cyrus,Forgive me, but your whole post was about the meaning of 'Baghdad', and only at the end you mentioned Bagoas. You seemed to be making some sort of connection between the two. That is why Stavros and I asked the question.All the bestMarcus

[yiannis]

Never the less it would be interesting to know what is the meaning of the word "Vagoas". Most probably it's the "Greekified" version of a Persian name.A little trivia: If it indeed means "gift of God" then in Greek it would be "Theodoros" or "Theodotos"...

[THE LIGHT 7000]

Hi,... yes that is one posibility, and probably true, keeping in mind different pronaunciations of words by Hellens, so D=TH etc....Regards The Light 7000

[marcus]

I agree, it would be very interesting to know what Bagoas was in Persian. I wonder whether there are any Persian texts that mention someone of that name (Jona?). We do, of course, know what quite a few Persian names are in Persian - so I suppose it might be possible (for an Old Persian linguist) to make a reasonable guess at what the Persian version of Bagoas would have been.All the bestMarcusPS: A quick book recommendation - "Empires of the Plain" by Lesley Adkins is a biographical account of the life of Henry Rawlinson, who was the first to decipher the cuneiform inscriptions at Behistun and 'discovered' Old Persian, and who then went on to do much of the work deciphering Babylonian and Assyrian cuneiform. It's very good - although it doesn't go into much detail about the linguistics behind the translation (which would be way over most people's heads, including mine!)

[Dr. Pal]

Hi all,I am fascinated by this discussion. The name Baghdad has the same sense in Sanskrit. 'Bhaga' was the name of a god and Datta means 'given'. But 'Dat' in old Persian has the sense of 'Law' which may be more relevant here. It was from Mrs Eliky Zananas that I first learnt that the Macedonians had closer ties with the Indians. Incidentally, although Baghdad is said to have been founded in the eighth century AD this may not be the whole story. The name may have something to do with the Jats about whom I do not know enough. Tate in his history of Seistan says that there were Jats in the Baghdad area and also in Syria. In the great Indian Epic Mahabharata Bhagadatta was defeated in a great battle by either Krishna or Arjuna the Indian Achiles. I have dated this battle to the eighteenth century BC when the Indus cities and Sumer were were destroyed. It is just possible that the name Baghdad is a memory of that great event but from the opposite perspective. Some ancient Indian kings claimed their descent from Bhagadatta.Dr. Pal

[stavros]

Baghdad, Persian or Mecedonian?to me, it appears you are talking about Baghdad?
and the point is?stavros