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Posted: Wed Sep 24, 2003 6:53 pm
by nietzschemarx
Hello: I am a Nietzsche-reader and I have 2 questions about Nietzsche's superman. My first question is: Will the superman be a world-dictator ruling a one-world government with the help of the world-plutocracy and world-powers?? My second question is: Can an average person, average income person get to be a superman by overcoming obstacles, reading a lot and weight-training to achiave muscle-superiority and strength of will?? Or is the superman a state of the earth? A human-stage of biological development? Or is the superman the earth? I would appreciate your comments on this because sometimes i have a little confusion about what exactly is the Superman (Overman)?
NietzscheMarx

Re: Will the superman be a world-dictator ruling a one-world

Posted: Wed Sep 24, 2003 9:52 pm
by THE LIGHT 7000
ALEXANDER THE GREAT MAKEDONIAN- PREDICTIONS- UNIVERSAL BROTHERHOOD OF MAN- PHOENIX FROM ASHES
GǪ After AlexanderGÇÖs death, In Babylon, secret scroll was found and was translated in many languages, written by order of Alexander while in agonyGǪGǪIn his final hours, in His Greatness and in His Holiness, Alexander The Great Makedonian, once The Nobel Ruler of This World, was speaking for all, and about all, making predictionsGǪ summarising our past, present and future, in only one moment as a spark of LIGHTGǪ, talking about history repeating itself, about Universal Brotherhood of Man, Macedonian Dream, GodGÇÖs Will- Phoenix from AshesGǪ.. He was talking- predicting his fatherland Makedonia being divided, and GÇ£GǪ rise of (Rome), city on 7 hills with the name of Son of Wolf GǪ with help of GÇ£GreekGÇ¥ wifeGǪGÇ¥- (Athens, Makedonian- Roman WarsGǪ), GǪPredicted was Jesus Christ and Christianity GÇ£GǪMan on CrossGǪ thornsGǪ blood..GÇ¥GǪPredicted was Mohammed and Islam GÇ£GǪSon of MoonGǪ, Moon on his foreheadGǪGÇ¥, even now days GÇ£GǪson of moon being sickGǪGÇ¥,GǪGǪ Predicted was GÇ£GǪBearGǪGÇ¥ and maybe cold warGǪ.,
GǪ Predictions about even now days with words Gǣ... how many Giants that many DwarfsGǪGǥ, talking about actual events from our present, i.e. few years ago with formation of UN and recently G-7, and just very recently and G-77GǪUnlike other predictions like in secret books, or those from Nostradamus, Alexander is more clear in his statements/ predictions, as a Gǣmultidimensional/astral travellingGǥ with clear statements that GǣGǪ.thousands years are nothing, they are like day before todayGǪ, like day from yesterday,GǪGǥ , and that Gǣ..history is reapiting itself GǪlike Phoenix from AshesGǪGǥ, so we are witnessing the need of formation of Universal Brotherhood of Man, YES today - transformation of UN to World Parliament with democratically elected GǣGovernment Gǣ from its own member states as equal among all, and world citizen congress, parallel assembly to UN, which will give more rights to citizens of the world, and world spiritual assembly with same goal, as a need ! GǪ.GǪSo all what was said, done and written has a sense, profound sense as one reality out of many possibilities with direct insight of ONE! GǪIt is time for Universal Brotherhood of Man, with Dialogue Among Civilisations, with pure respect, love, friendship, understanding and compassion towards each other, fuelled with good will among people and patients with forgiveness, as one and the only way for better Wor

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Posted: Wed Sep 24, 2003 11:40 pm
by nietzschemarx
The only solution for USA would be an Alexander the Greata good hero town is Coffeyville, Kansas, etched in american history coz the daltonboys outlaws were killed there, good old ordinary townsfolks took'em down, they were townfolks like u and me"The great men are necessary and also the times they are in. The nations that became something, that are worth something never got there under lazze faire classical-liberal systems" -Fredrich Nietzsche"Growing up it all seems so one-sided, opinions all provided, the future pre-decided detached and subdivided in the mass production zone. Nowhere is the dreamer or the misfit so alone. Subdivisions, conform or be cast out." -Subdivisions, Signals

"This country, with its institutions, belongs to the people who inhabit it. Whenever people shall grow weary of their own government, they can overthrow it." --Abraham Lincoln
"We Gotta Get Out'a This Place" - The Animals
Nietzsche clearly stated it that *development* of the whole world and nations should start in their physiology, and basic needs and then everything comes as consequence. That is not the case in modern neoliberal-democracy. That means that we as new-philosophers (overmen-the-goal) must destroy old values, give way to new values and into the hegemony/predominance of new values This is not the case with neoliberalism. The core of neoliberal values lie on economical-production, deregulation, capitalisation of public services, privatism which is/was not the basis a socialist democratic system. I know we cannot have a 100% socialist system because it's too Utopic. But even within the context of a socialist-democratic-system we can have something different than this neoliberal, hedonist, materialist, egocentric, competition, elitist, consumerist system that neoliberal-democracy is founded on that subdivides the individual into mass-production zones (factories, offices, apartment complexes, etc.)
Neoliberal-democratic system is based on economical-smithsonian-darwinism. Darwin and Adam Smith claimed that the survival of the strongest economically, the supply and demand through the invisible hand of free-markets, would bring about a total devolepment for the whole society but this neoliberal politics theory is flawed with empirical-evidence (neoliberalism has been a total failure in USA since the 80s and in other neoliberal-democracies like Argentina (former 10th Economy of the world)
Neoliberalism Democracy theor

Re: Will the superman be a world-dictator ruling a one-world

Posted: Thu Sep 25, 2003 12:17 am
by John.
Maybe this will help:http://www.visual-memory.co.uk/amk/doc/0013.html- Just don't ask about that Antichrist thing Nietzsche wrote...John

Re: Will the superman be a world-dictator ruling a one-world

Posted: Thu Sep 25, 2003 3:47 am
by marcus
John,I'm *really* struggling to understand quite what any of that babble has to do with Alexander. I don't think we should be encouraging it...All the bestMarcus

Re: Will the superman be a world-dictator ruling a one-world

Posted: Thu Sep 25, 2003 5:09 am
by John.
What about the other Kubrik movie mentioned in the above link with "2001: A Space Odyssey"? I mean, "A Clockwork Orange." The lead character in that movie's name is Alexander De Large. Hmmm.Whatever. I think Kubrik had fun puzzling people. Just take the title of that movie, "A Clockwork Orange." Are we supposed to make sense out of that title?John

Re: Will the superman be a world-dictator ruling a one-world

Posted: Thu Sep 25, 2003 7:03 am
by susa
Dear MarcusLet these talk among themselves. Don't you see a pattern there?I SEE A PATTERN;)
susa [who now and then has the abilities of a seer, as good aquarians always should]

Re: Will the superman be a world-dictator ruling a one-world

Posted: Thu Sep 25, 2003 7:11 am
by John.
Well, I do know what happened to Nietzsche; he spent the last 11 years of his life in hopeless insanity.He's definitely not MY role model.John

Anybody who says One-world-order is a stupid idea hasnt read

Posted: Thu Sep 25, 2003 6:10 pm
by nietzschemarx
Alexander wanted to rule a one-world-nationPS: Read Alex's biographies, Plutarc etc.NietzscheMarx

'Clockwork Orange' . . A Clarification.

Posted: Thu Sep 25, 2003 7:22 pm
by aen
John,With respect, "A Clockwork Orange" was not conceived by Mr. Kubrick, but by Anthony Burgess, the novelist and sometime Joycean expert. He quite explicitly stated in an interview or two that no signifigance should be read into it other than the efforts of a broke author trying to earn a few coppers.Laters. A.

Re: 'Clockwork Orange' . . A Clarification.

Posted: Fri Sep 26, 2003 8:51 am
by John.
Right, and "2001" was written by Arthur C. Clarke, but Kubrick took on the exact same theme in the two movies: Violence.Remember in 2001, how everyone became so proper and sedate and... boring.And in Clockwork, they took the violence out of "Alex" by making him watch movies, and every time they showed sex or violence (especially Hitler movies, it seems), they would give him pain causing drugs, so he would associate pain with violence, and therefore want non-violence.Now Alexander the Great led a VERY violent life...But I still want to know... What does Clockwork Orange mean?John

Re: 'Clockwork Orange' . . A Clarification.

Posted: Fri Sep 26, 2003 9:08 am
by karen
As I recall from reading the novel many many moons ago, little Alex has an epiphany at the end, and one of his thoughts is, "youth is a clockwork orange," or words to that effect. The idea being, when you are a teenager your reactions are all automatic, mindless, knee-jerk -- as pre-determined by inner urges as clockwork. (Though I don't know where the 'orange' part comes in.)Love & peace,
Karen

Re: 'Clockwork Orange' . . A Clarification.

Posted: Fri Sep 26, 2003 12:08 pm
by John.
I guess you're right. I just put in "CLOCKWORK ORANGE ALEXANDER THE GREAT" into the search engine, and the first result was:http://www.classicnote.com/ClassicNotes ... .htmlwhere it says "clockwork orange" is a "human deprived of free will and reduced to a humanistic mechanism."But it still doesn't say where the "orange" comes in.This actually infuriates me. Why does he use the word "orange." This reminds me of learning how the one-hit wonder band ("Incense and Peppermints")Strawberry Alarm Clock got their name. They couldn't think of a name, so this guy opened up a newspaper and blindly pointed at... Strawberry Fields, by the Beatles. So they named their band Strawberry Alarm Clock. OK, but how did you come up with the "alarm clock" part?!Why don't I just name something Orange Alarm Clock? And the song can be "Incensed and Peppersprayed," about an angry riot brought under control by pepperspraying police.Why can't people just make more sense? Jiminy Christmas! Clockwork "orange"? Orange?I'm not wasting any more time with it!!John

Clockwork Orange defined by Anthony Burgess...

Posted: Fri Sep 26, 2003 6:01 pm
by John.
Here we go, now I can calm down...http://www.geocities.com/Athens/Academy ... ain.htmlAs for the name of the lead character, they say in the movie you can see a newspaper with the name Alexander Burgess. But the only time he actually speaks his full name in the movie, he says, "Alexander DeLarge," which they say is a pun on Alexander the Great.John

Re: Will the superman be a world-dictator ruling a one-world

Posted: Tue Nov 11, 2003 1:00 am
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