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Was Alexander the Original Prophet for Islam?

Posted: Thu Jul 06, 2006 2:02 am
by kennyxx
I have just doing some studies with the Koran and the importance that it seems Alexander was one if not the first Muslim Prophet. I got into a discusiuon with a believer of Islam we talked of Alexander and Mohamed. Of course she kept asking a Muslim Scholar about such things. It became very clear that indeed as far as Islam is concerned Alexander was the first Prophet.

Mohamed appears in the 6th Centuries and his teaching and interpretations of the Koran establishes Islam as a world religion. Now how did Alexandere find himselk in the Koran. The Koran is relatively new and its said Alah sent Alexander as a leader great warrior and leader. Mohamed as a soldier it has been said followed the Alexander Blue print of world conquest to spread Islam. Well Alexander didnt know Alah nor Islamic verse he was of the Greko gods.

I had a interesting chatwith a muslim and by the end even she agreed that Alexander The Great was a forerunner of a prophet befor Mohamed.

Just to conclude. Most of religions develop from the mouths or personality of one. Is it monotheism that creates religions and basically tidies up the ends. If not had the Greek gods gradually faded and Alexandee did claim to be a god then would a sect to Alexander ever have got off the ground?

Kenny

Posted: Thu Jul 06, 2006 7:18 am
by Efstathios
The worship of the ancient greek gods faded sometime around 400-500 a.d.I dont see how this has anything to do with an Alexander's sect by the Arabs though.

Posted: Thu Jul 06, 2006 1:04 pm
by cynisca
Greetings,
as Alexander in various guises can be found in the religions of India, it is not difficult to surmise that he would find his way into the Koran.
It seems a coincidence that the teachings of Mohammed come not long after Alexander's body disappeared from Alexandria (and maybe found their way to Venice...!) and that his tomb is also thought to lie beneath the Nebi Daniel Mosque (Daniel also being a prophet of Islam).
Islam and Christianity have the same Old Testament roots and also revere Jesus as a messenger of Allah, which rather surprised me when I found this out.
I also read somewhere that the borderline of Pakistan and India where Islam and Hinduism (I think) meet, follow the line of Alexander's conquests...
I have found a few quotes by ancient Greek philosophers, that
can be found in the New Testament and the scriptures of other religions....
eg: Socrates: Do not do to others what angers you if done to you by others.
Do unto others as you would have them do unto you.GÇÖGÇöNew Testament,
Hurt not others with that which pains yourself.GÇÖGÇöUdanavarga, Buddhist text
GÇÿ That which is hateful unto you, do not do unto others.GÇÖGÇöRabbi Hillel, Jewish text
GÇÿ Do not unto others what you would not they should do unto you.GÇÖGÇöAnalects, Confucian text
GÇÿ This is the sum of duty: Do nothing unto others which, if done to you, would cause you pain.GÇÖGÇöMahabharata, Hindu text
GÇÿ A man should wander about treating all creatures as he himself would be treated.GÇÖ GÇöSutrakritanga, Jain text
GÇÿ Treat others as you would be treated. What you like not for yourself dispense not to others.GÇÖGÇöAbdullah Ansari, Islamic Sufi text

The Buddhist and Hindu versions, at least, seem to postdate Socrates, but the Jain text could be earlier..
Alexander is thought to be Dhul Qarnayn (various spellings) the 'two horned one' referred to in the Koran, but it will be interesting to read deeper, looking for Alexander and the influences of the Greeks and/or Macedonians therin...
regards
Cynisca

Posted: Thu Jul 06, 2006 1:35 pm
by kennyxx
Cynisca

Thanks for the quotes etc. I really am not that familiar with scriptures. But showed a little interest with the Alexander links. I think the Koran links are more specific about Alexander although some Muslims I speak to say its refering to Darius1st.

I find it much more cryptic with the Daniel scriptures suppposedly about Alexander. It does seem however the Islamic ways of Mohamed are basically based on the Idea of Conquest for that religion ans spreading Islam in that way. Basically Alexandrian Conquest, But the difference was Alexander accepted other religions and didnt meddle with them. I Guess Islam went further and mononothised the idea.

I really dont intend to mess with religions etc faith is brilliant no matter what the religion but religion is hot coals stuff. To say Islam is a peaceful religion is folly. to follow Mohamed and his teachings its very different its based on conquest and conversion or Genocide. The main Issue is why or how it pulled Alexander into it. Alexander was contrary to any Islamic belifs he was a foreigner and believed in many gods.Was Alexander mohameds military roll model of unequaled rivalry who he could hold up and say here was the boy lets do similar?

Kenny