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Alexander's burial site.

Posted: Sat Jul 16, 2005 11:08 pm
by Owen
In the last century, Schleiman believed firmly that the story of Troy was in fact an actual historical event and not fiction or myth as was previously believed. He set out to discover the site of ancient Troy, enduring the derision and humiliation by his peers. He did indeed discover Troy and today we all know that those events really occured. Somewhere on this earth, the great king's body rests. Somewhere his burial treasure still exists, scattered though it may be. The breastplate, sword, ring, etc. All accounts from the period need to be thoroughly studied and evaluated. Much that was believed to be lost in the great fire that razed Alexandria, still exists to this day. The Vatican archives are so extensive that many documents have not been touched in millenea. The location of the tomb was not secret in those days, it was virtually a public shrine. Contemporary texts must have detailed the location. Even should the tomb now be empty, it should once again be revealed to the world so that those of us that wish to, can make the pilgimage to honoour the great king. To anyone who is interested, I promise you that there are people who know where it is, where he is and they do mankind a massive disservice by keeping thier knowledge secret. In these days we need to see more than myth and legend. We need to be able to look upon the face of Alexander and know he was a man and he lived and that he achieved. Maybe then we will find it easier to find a purpose, greater than ourselves, within ourselves. Perhaps we can finally fulfill his dream of a united mankind, a goal, closer today than ever before. Perhaps, from beyond the grave and the ages that have past, he may yet succeed by inspiring us.
He was no more than a man, but he lived a life worthy of a god. He deserves to be honoured once more.

Re: Alexander's burial site.

Posted: Sun Jul 17, 2005 6:14 am
by marcus
Hi Owen,It's not so much that we don't know where it *was* (or at least that we can make a shrewd guess). It's more of the fact that it just isn't there any more, and no-one knows where the body is.It's well worth having a look at Andrew Chugg's "The Lost Tomb of Alexander the Great" - or check out his website, which is http://www.alexanderstomb.com, if I recall correctly. (Andrew is a valued member of this forum, so I'm sure he'll correct me if I'm wrong).All the bestMarcus

Re: Alexander's burial site.

Posted: Sun Jul 17, 2005 12:59 pm
by Taphoi
I couldn't have put it better myself, Marcus.However, the editor included a trailing comma in the website address, so it won't work. For anyone thus perplexed the address is:http://www.alexanderstomb.comBest wishes,Andrew

Re: Alexander's burial site.

Posted: Wed Jul 20, 2005 11:41 am
by nina
OWEN, LOVED THE NOTE. TODAY MORE THAN EVER WE NEED A LEADER THE LIKES OF ALEX. I HOPE THAT HIS GRAVE-SITE WILL BE DISCOVERED IN MY LIFE-TIME. NINA

Re: Alexander's burial site.

Posted: Wed Jul 20, 2005 10:55 pm
by Manny E
So let's go already!! I'll take out a loan, sell the house, buy ground-penetrating radar equipment, pack my bags! Alexandria here we come! But...the thing is...where in Alexandria do we start to scan, exactly?Armed with a magnetic-pulse radar probe with nowhere to aim,Manny Raygun

Posted: Wed Sep 13, 2006 10:19 am
by Eschatos
About the burial of Alexander.
Does anyone know somehing about the mythical tomb in the Sumatra island?
Do you have more information? How this tradition was born?
I'm interested in the heritage of memory that the passage of the Macedonian army left in East Asia.
Thank you

Tarn returns.

Posted: Wed Sep 13, 2006 1:48 pm
by Paralus
Owen wrote: To anyone who is interested, I promise you that there are people who know where it is, where he is and they do mankind a massive disservice by keeping thier knowledge secret.
Oh dear! I wasn't aware the Simpsons were real!
Owen wrote: Maybe then we will find it easier to find a purpose, greater than ourselves, within ourselves. Perhaps we can finally fulfill his dream of a united mankind, a goal, closer today than ever before.
Right. Tarn is reincarnated in our midst and, he is more effusive than ever.

Pardon my lack of faith, but, I believe Alexander's body was lost in antiquity. Theories explaining its utter failure to be found GÇô and where it might be, if only GÇô are little more than that.

Finding the conqueror's remains will no more aid in any modern "family of man" than did he during his career of conquest.

Posted: Wed Sep 13, 2006 5:17 pm
by dean
Hello,

On " In the footsteps of Alexander" we hear how Zoroastrian priests say that Alexander is still known as the "accursed"- and that he is still hated today for having made their boys and girls marry against their wills- referring of course to the weddings at Susa.

I don't know why they say boys and girls- it was after all, only Iranian girls that were made to marry Alexander's men- so this of course is a big reason why the unity of mankind theory seems to break down. A theory I had initially believed to be true but after subsequent reading see that it was probably the last thing on Alexander's then megalomaniacal mind.

Best regards,
Dean

Alexander's body

Posted: Tue Oct 17, 2006 6:08 am
by ruthaki
Well, a long, long time ago (before I ever read about such a theory) I dreamed one night that Alexander's body was hidden somewhere in the Vatican -- it had been taken there by the Romans. You know the saying "Whoever held the body held the power."

I still wonder if this could be a possibility.

Posted: Tue Oct 17, 2006 6:29 am
by Paralus
Well Ruthaki, anything under the gods is possible I suppose.

I'm afraid, though, that I would have to be considered and Alexander cadaver cynic.

Posted: Tue Oct 17, 2006 1:52 pm
by Efstathios
It's more of the fact that it just isn't there any more
Is it?

As far as we know Alexander's body may still be in Alexandria.But even with a magnetic pulse machine or whatever you call it,we cant find much.Cause there are so many rooms underground in Alexandria that you wouldnt know where to start.Plus getting the permitt to dig there is difficult.The more believable theory about Alexandria is that the tomb is under an orthodox church.Cant remember now which, but there are some leads that point there.But it is very difficult to dig there, you would have to go underground.Plus i dont think Egypt's ministry of culture gives a perimission for that.

Of couse there is not a coordinated movement from ministries and archaiologists because mainly there are no hard leads.Almost same thing applies to the Sphinx.There is a room in front and under the Sphinx that was discovered by sending seismic pulses to the ground.A room that alledgedly holds many interesting things.But the Egyptian goverment will not allow any digs there.And it is understandable.Whoever digs there must be carefull not to damage the Sphinx by causing a collapse while removing ground in front.Or by even creating a tunnel.

Same thing goes for the church in Alexandria.Although if there was an official movement the goverment would probably give a permission but there have to be hard leads for that.

As for the rest, i kinda agree with Paralus.Discovering the body of Alexander wont probably change anything today.

I disagree though with Alexander's "bloodlust" senario.You all know my view on this.It's one thing to be megalomaniac ,like some people during the centuries,and today, and another thing to be ambitious.We cant compare Alexander with Calligula for example.Calligula was a megalomaniac and an "Alexander wannabe", as Julius Caesar were and many others.

A mummified body

Posted: Tue Oct 17, 2006 9:19 pm
by jan
I apologize for forgetting author's names all the time, but the reason I bought one book is because of the portrait of Caesar looking down at a mummified version of Alexander's body, and the look of Alexander's face is so awful in that portrait that I don't honestly believe anyone would want to look at it like that. I prefer to think of Alexander as he is described looking when young and vigorous instead of a lookalike for a pygmy head!

(Marcus, it is the same book that has the look of Alexander looking like King Darius or you know who in his gold robe)! What was that guy's name who wrote that book? GEEZZZZ! It is here somewhere on this site. Nigel Cauthorne, maybe?

Anyway, I am intrigued by Ruth's dream. I am also of the belief that it has fallen into total oblivion, never to be found again. But if all the seekers want to use some kind of modern devices to unearth it, more power to them. If it is really in the Vatican, it will never be discovered! Good place to hide it from the thieves!

And Ruthaki, one of my dreams revealed the helmet of Gaugemela, specially made. I drew a sketch of it but indicated the reliefs with squiggly lines so that nobody would be able to mentally read my mind and steal it from me. But it was full of reliefs and has a very high polish, like that of a mirror! You can imagine what that would have looked like on the field of battle! Blinding!

Posted: Thu Oct 19, 2006 3:12 pm
by jasonxx
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Re: A mummified body

Posted: Wed Oct 25, 2006 12:41 pm
by marcus
jan wrote:I apologize for forgetting author's names all the time, but the reason I bought one book is because of the portrait of Caesar looking down at a mummified version of Alexander's body, and the look of Alexander's face is so awful in that portrait that I don't honestly believe anyone would want to look at it like that. I prefer to think of Alexander as he is described looking when young and vigorous instead of a lookalike for a pygmy head!

(Marcus, it is the same book that has the look of Alexander looking like King Darius or you know who in his gold robe)! What was that guy's name who wrote that book? GEEZZZZ! It is here somewhere on this site. Nigel Cauthorne, maybe?
It's a 19th century picture, Jan, not a photograph. Most of the pictures by that artist (I forget his name) are highly inaccurate, anyway, in terms of armour and weaponry. Don't get hung up about it.

But you're right, it is Nigel Cauthorne. A very good little book on Alexander, despite the fact that he isn't an "expert".

ATB