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Were Thebans ancient Insergents.

Posted: Wed Nov 10, 2004 2:13 pm
by iskander_32
Excuse me comrades, lately im listening a lot on the news and see a word insergents.Could we say that the situation with ancient Thebes similar to the situation with falujah today.If so would the Alexander policy sort out the mess we have today,,, Alexander has been picked up with his policy towards Thebes,, Can we establish if it had the desired effect.is what the Americans doing at Falujah a moderen example of Alexander if so would it be assumed that its the only way to cope with this type of viscious rebelion,, Where those involved will not listen to reason and resort to the gun and suicide bombings againsyt the majority that want and deserve peace after so long living under a brutal dictator.regardskenny

Re: Were Thebans ancient Insergents.

Posted: Thu Nov 11, 2004 1:35 am
by Nicator
You could see it that way. But the situation in Fellujah is not necessarily a rebellion. The insurgents are criminals trying to maintain what little power they have left by terrorizing their own people(and what foreigners they can kidnap and mutilate). The Thebans didn't do anything like this...in fact they honorably put themselves on the front line while putting slaves and foreigners in the rear. I would also argue that the insurgents in Iraq are trying to prevent freedom, whereas, the Thebans were trying to win it. I would also add that it does the Thebans an incredible diservice to compare them to these animals from Fallujah.
later Nicator

Re: Were Thebans ancient Insergents.

Posted: Thu Nov 11, 2004 3:50 am
by ruthaki
Well said, Nick. I totally agree.

Re: Were Thebans ancient Insergents.

Posted: Thu Nov 11, 2004 9:27 am
by yiannis
Of course, others would say that the "insurgents" in Iraq are "freedom fighters" but i guess this is a matter of perspective...

Re: Were Thebans ancient Insergents.

Posted: Thu Nov 11, 2004 10:13 am
by iskander_32
RespectI thoroughly agree with the total didimilareities with the two,, But I didnt really want to start been controversial with my feelings towards the murderes in Falujah.In this case as with the Americans,,, I feel Alexander would be seen as a saviour to seek out anmd destreoy this atrocity.RegardsKenny

Re: Were Thebans ancient Insergents.

Posted: Thu Nov 11, 2004 10:27 am
by iskander-32
HailI originally made this post as a reflection an Alexander and his days and society today,,, And just wonder if society has improved or a better one than it was under our hero who was a soldier king.Many occasions our guy has been chritisized accused and dismissed as warmongering killer.There still is and always will be a place for Alexander the world and society needs warriors and kings that will fight for and even die for there beliefs.Alexander was no mouth peace that stired hatred that young people die and kill for selfish reasons today yet the talkers will not make the same sacrifice.No my friends society is no better ,for all the liberal rhetoric and pascifism.We stand in a time of hatred murder, times where paedophiles stalk the internet for prey,where brutal warlords make war and cause genocide in African countries,, the same countries the powers fail to help because theres no oil.The list goes on and on, Alexander has been vilfied
but I as one stand with Alexander with his faults as indeed a noble warrior.Todays world needs heroes Alexander was is my hero.
sorry for the sentiment folks I try to raise the bar so that in time people will as I do praise Alexander and not try to crucify him.Kenny

Re: Were Thebans ancient Insergents.

Posted: Thu Nov 11, 2004 11:33 am
by Nicator
Hello Yiannis,I like you, so I'm not going to take that personally, or get involved in a discussion as to why that sort of opinion is so woefully wrong and offensive. As much as I'd like to prove my point, it would only suffice to inflame you, and like I said...I like you. So, let's leave it at that...ok?later Nicator

Re: Were Thebans ancient Insergents.

Posted: Thu Nov 11, 2004 1:07 pm
by jan
No, Kenny, Fallujah should not be compared with Thebes at all. Fallujah is primarily the base for the support of Saddam Hussein. Thebes was a kind of test case for the submission to Alexander's will to rule. America has no intention of ruling Iraq. There is a lot of serious difference between the city which essentially is responsible for Phillip's army, and Fallujah, home of Saddam Hussein. Had it not been for Phillip's early apprenticeship in Thebes, Alexander would not even have had his own army. It is their total lack of submission to his authority that brought his wrath down upon them.