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Hi Folks Having watched the American presidential elections it shows that in todays society Alexander would get the vote.it seems to me that I would feel safer and that my children would feel safer and more protected by a leader of resolve and hard line attitudes that the Bush administration takes. A guy that takes no crap to say and will not back away from those who threaten.I do believe Alexander woould be elected as a leader over any liberal pacifist fence sitters that there are out there.I do think Bush won because the people do feel safer with a guy that will do something.regardsKenny

i agree with your whole voting theme and yes, alexander would have been re-elected for the same reason. the message here, i believe, is we will not let anyone chose usa leaders but usa citizens, not terrorists,or bullies allowed. tina

Since many people disagree with your views (me for example), but at the same time also realize that this is not the forum to express their own, would you please abstain from starting modern politics' threads?
This is Alexander the Great's and not G.W.Bush's forum.

Before this gets deleted, which it probably should and will, I want to add my agreement with Yiannis.Because many in the world and 1/2 the American population sees intelligence/wisdom, concern for people and an openness to tolerance/differences coupled with resolve and courage as critical elements in a leader, I join Yiannis in asking that members please refrain from mentioning Mr. Bush, who is nothing like Alexander, in these pages.In the debates, I recall a statement "Its one thing to be certain and right, another to be certain and wrong" and that says quite enough. I would happily debate this issue privately.Regards,
Sikander

HI Kenny,
In Athens, they voted as they practiced democracy. But in Macedon, Alexander is a King by birthright. Important to remember that!

It really degenerates a forum when censorship be involved.My question was would Alexander get the vote,, We are forever reminded that we cant compare todays society with that of Alexanders.Indeed in some ways we can people and societies have fears and dreads and look towards leaders and politicians for protection and leading,,, The latest election I feel showed this.People in comparison would trust and elect Alexander for those reasons,, For the original post to be deleted indicates the moderators are4 very select about what they allow some people may call my post offensive and cause arguments isnt this forum for debates.Alexanders sexuality is less relevent today and I can say for myself find it upseting,,, Yet I dont complain and shout for the moderator.Are there people and moderators in this forum that hear and see only what they want.Delete if ypou want I really dont care,, Pothos org is becoming tiresome anyway.Ill be on my way.Kenny

Greetings Kenny,George Bush is no Alexander, so he need not have been brought into the discussion.But since you ask why this thread is inappropriate:Alexander was actually in combat so he understood war and its consequences in a real way Mr. Bush cannot; Alexander led from the front, Mr. Bush never served in combat and indeed, *his* cronies never served at all, except for one other (Rumsfield) who served, like Mr. Bush- on home grounds. As a youth, Alexander exhibited a curiousity about the world and its various people/cultures that Mr. Bush did not and does not share. Alexander showed a tolerance for differences that Mr. Bush will never comprehend, since Alexander lived in a polytheistic environment that showed little preference over any one "god", whereas Mr. Bush believes his *is* the one true religion- and many would take issue with that.Though a myth, the Opis speech reflects Alexander's desire for mutual respect and acceptance of differences; Mr. Bush's entire presidency has been based on the assumption that his way is the one true way, whether belief system, politics or world view. Alexander assumed his followers had courage, Mr. Bush pushes fear at Americans as though he actually believed they would all fall for the rhetoric, yet few I have spoken to feel this "fear" Bush uses to get his way.. perhaps *his* followers feel it, but not every American does.Terrorism is a complex issue and America has its share of terrorists (McVeigh, white supremacists, racists, etc); the world community recognizes that one aspect of preventing terrorism (though it will never be stopped) is to look at the elements that *promote* it-- such as poverty, ignorance, domination, fear and fanaticism- elements *not* attached to only one faith or people.It would be impossible to decide if Alexander would be elected today in America? Probably not, since he was comfortable with sexual diversity, polytheism, multiculturalism. Women would be another issue, since women today are *not* the women of yesterday.. and I cannot see that women who value their personal liberty and equality would find him appealing, if he supported the subordination of women, since the majority of women in the American election voted for Mr. Kerry.That's enough for now.Regards,
Sikander

"Delete if ypou want I really dont care,, Pothos org is becoming tiresome anyway. Ill be on my way."If these lines suggest that you're on your way out to leave this forum, that would be a loss. Although you and I (almost) always disagree, I must confess that without you, things would be a bit dull. So please stay.Jona

Some interesting and thoughtful responses here, but I agree, PLEASE, do we have to discuss American politics on this site? I for one can't possible conceive a connection between Alexander and the likes of George W. Bush. Yikes!

Hello Kenny,Don't leave the forum...that's just what some certain unscrupulous and lesser minded individuals want. Fight them with the truth. It always wins! Beyond that, I'm still sticking to my guns and stating that unequivacably, modern politics don't belong on this forum. If some feel compelled to carry on with their incessant rants...maybe they can go to 'yahoo' and spare us the fluff and useless utterances (like so much whiney electronic scribble written and dribble spoken). later Nicator

For that matter, there's never been a man in all history quite like Alexander...that's why we're here today...still talking about his life and legacy.As far as this thread being deleted, I wouldn't hold out any hope for it. Our moderator seems to think that we should talk about anything and everything; regardless of the title on the top of the web page. I could tell much more of the truth on that count, but it would only suffice to inflame, and that's not my style or my intention.later Nicator

Err, and what truth would that be that Nick?It seems like Kenny wants to flame, so let him be consumed if he so chooses.

folks I only made the comparison to bush as it has just happened.In no way shape or form would I liken any leader I can think of today with Alexander..Tony Blair and George Bush fight unjust wars from continents away.They send our and your sons to die in the name of the excuse they bring up,,, Yet at the same time they expect parents to sacrifice there own,,, they as leaders do not.No my friends for all his faults there has never been a politician or democratically elected leader that I would have trusted.The word democracy is is a lovely word that politicians use to gain power,, and when they are elected the turn dictatorial,,, Tony Blair is signing away our British constitution and laws,, Without even asking the people.Democracy is an illusion.Even as a king and with his faults Alexander even today would get the vote and be a greater and better leader than what we have.Alexandere was a king yet at the same time he was accountable to the soldiers and his people so yes I do believe hed get the vote.Kenny

I don't think so because Darius was not as cruel as Mullahs, Saddam or Taiban and Alexander was not as Great as Bush.

I fully agree.Jona