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Last words
Posted: Mon Oct 04, 2004 10:10 am
by alejandro
Hi CompanionsRecently I watched the Richard Burton movie, and was struck by its fast pace after Gaugamela. Though understandable, itGÇÖs another argument in favour of a trilogy or a miniseries about the Great Alex, rather than a 2-hour movie.Anyway, the point is that BurtonGÇÖs last words in the movie are the famous GÇ£to the strongestGÇ¥ (let us ignore the alternative GÇ£to KraterosGÇ¥, that is downplayed by everyone, except maybe the hardcore conspiracy theorists

.However, thereGÇÖs an (alternative?) set of last words: the one that goes GÇ£when youGÇÖre happyGÇ¥ in response to the question about the time when Alex should be honoured (or his rites should be celebrated, or something like that).My question is: ignoring the fact that both could be romantic inventions, are they in different sources? Or part of the same? If they are in the same, which ones are the GÇ£trueGÇ¥ last words?For dramatic effect, if I were Stone, I would go with the GÇ£when youGÇÖre happyGÇ¥ one, as it paints Alex with a more humane brush, rather than the unconcerned and provocative GÇ£to the strongestGÇ¥ (though maybe the latter is better as a "sequel-trigger"? Maybe there's a Diadochi movie on the shelf? After all, Stone already has Anthony Hopkins as narrator...) What do you think?BestAlejandro
Re: Last words
Posted: Mon Oct 04, 2004 2:04 pm
by smittysmitty
at this most dramatic time in the life and death of Alexander, the image conjured up for me, unforynately, is as follows - Perdiccas leans over the king's near dead body and ATG whispers into his ear, these famous words!"Your leaning on my chest!"sorry, comes from watching too much Maxwell Smart in the 70's. ;)cheers!
Re: Last words
Posted: Tue Oct 05, 2004 4:12 am
by ruthaki
I believe there was a lot of ambiguity in the actual 'last' words. "Hoti to krateros" which evidently, if mis-heard had two meanings. Perdikkas took it to mean the 'strongest' and as he was there and Krateros wasn't he took over. But who really knows exactly. I believe that 'when you are happy' goes with the question Alexander was asked about when they should hold his funeral games. And he said "when you are happy". ruthaki
(I like smitty's answer myself!)
Re: Last words
Posted: Tue Oct 05, 2004 4:38 am
by marcus
Well, to add to all this is, of course, the report that in his last few days he lost the power of speech. How, therefore, he was able to say *anything*, is something to be pondered.All the bestMarcus
Re: Last words
Posted: Tue Oct 05, 2004 11:01 am
by Nax
Yeah, I always thought his last words would beeerrgghhh cuz he couldn't talk but that's not as dramatic!

Re: Last words
Posted: Tue Oct 05, 2004 12:12 pm
by beausefaless
Greetings MarcusMaybe he wrote them (so called) last words down just before he became powerless or ineffective, paralyzation?All the bestAndrew
Re: Last words
Posted: Tue Oct 05, 2004 12:39 pm
by iskander_32
I reckon cassander was the interpreter of the last words just before reporting to Antipater on a job well done.Organ grinder and monkey dead Macedonia is all ours.kenny
Re: Last words
Posted: Wed Oct 06, 2004 8:32 am
by barbara
Smitty, that's a good one!
And I wonder how can someone think those diadochi-whatever deserve a Hollywood movie! They were booooressssss.No, no, let's put it the other way --- they *DO* deserve a Holywood movie! Yess!Who doesn't deserve it is Alexander, poor thing.
Nobody with a minimum decency deserves a holliwoos movie as it is....
Re: Last words-KERATA
Posted: Thu Oct 07, 2004 11:48 pm
by THE LIGHT 7000
HI,Alexander's last words were- to the KERATA, in Makedonian this means person who is very inteligent, smart, prud, stronge and noble in same time...So it is not only strong......Fact....,St. Francis of Asisi went to The Pope to give him a letter which, apparently The Pope did not want to recive, and by the time he reached The pope, The Pope was dead. St. Franchesko start reading the letter to The Pope saying: "...do you thinke death you can not hear my letter...", ... so there is somthing else between our intelect and flash, and better not to make cheap statments if one do not know and leave somthing for future generations to prove,... it is already on the "operating table"... one will say...The Light 7000