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Re: Agreed-upon character traits

Posted: Sat Aug 20, 2005 2:34 am
by S
Greetings Amyntoros,> I'm bringing this up because as it stands right now you are building an image of Alexander in which we both agree (and probably Sikander too) but have no idea if others support this. I mean, it could be that no one has commented simply because they agree, but without more feedback, how will you know? :-) I'm bringing this up because as it stands right now you are building an image of Alexander in which we both agree (and probably Sikander too) but have no idea if others support this. I mean, it could be that no one has commented simply because they agree, but without more feedback, how will you know? :-) I'm bringing this up because as it stands right now you are building an image of Alexander in which we both agree (and probably Sikander too) but have no idea if others support this. I mean, it could be that no one has commented simply because they agree, but without more feedback, how will you know? :-)I agree to a point with the "portrait", though there *are* some areas I would probably question or view differently. I would also be inclined to approach it from the angle that, as in childhood, although a core personality would exist, time, events and human interaction with others, both positive and negative, could affect said traits. Humans are not born with a complete set of character traits intact; some are developed or enhanced as they experience life, others diminish as they grow. The core remains but often expresses itself differently through age; also, the core personality can morph into something entirely different- positive or negative- depending on circumstances. On the other hand, there are probably times I have been taught too well to argue both sides (without the need to necessarily believe in either one completely) (smiling)There are some general characteristics we can label Alexander with, but it is more difficult for me to try to settle a specifc set of traits on him, as I see him changing over the years. Some things would remain, such as ambition, fearlessness (though even that may have softened with age), charisma, etc
but others would change, morphed or transformed to be expressed in different ways, possibly even becoming the opposite of what was. For example, a person who is forgiving and generous by nature can become hardened and bitter if betrayed by his own beliefs, friends or expectations of others. I suppose the question might be, how much of who and what we are is inherent and how much is created as we experience life? And of course, I tend to see the traits attributed to Alexander in so many others who achieve less that I am inclined to attribute some of his success to the fact that he was born into the right family at the right time. A peasant with his same character traits, in that time and place, would not have achieved things to the same degree. An Alexander who did not acquire the throne until a middle-aged man might well have been completely different, since traits would have had to epxress themselves differently, and the end product might be completely different from the

Re: Agreed-upon character traits

Posted: Sat Aug 20, 2005 5:59 am
by marcus
:-)You might get a list - I haven't actually thought about it yet, though.(I haven't read Amyntoros' list, yet, either ...)ATBMarcus

Re: Agreed-upon character traits

Posted: Sat Aug 20, 2005 6:09 am
by marcus
Ha ha! I can imagine it now:"Alexander had promised to pay his troops; but he died (Pl. Alex. 76), so he didn't."Probably would have been the shortest academic article ever written! :-)ATBMarcus

Re: Aristobulus citation

Posted: Mon Aug 22, 2005 6:48 am
by abm
Hi Karen,the passage is Strabo 16.1.11 (C 741): "(...)Now Alexander alleged as cause of the war, Aristobulus says, that the Arabians were the only people on earth who did not send ambassadors to him, but in truth was reaching out to be lord of all (...)".
(the complete text of Strabo is on-line at http://www.perseus.tufts.edu/cache/pers ... Roman.html)regards,abm

Re: Aristobulus citation

Posted: Mon Aug 22, 2005 9:39 am
by amyntoros
Hi Alexander,The "edited" version is on Susan's site, i.e., only the excerpts from Strabo that directly concern Alexander studies - these from an 1856 translation by C. Hamilton and W. Falconer. The passage you cited is on the last page of Strabo (j).http://www.alexander-sources.org/Best regards,Amyntoros

Re: Aristobulus citation

Posted: Tue Aug 23, 2005 9:16 am
by abm
Hi Linda,thanks for pointing that out. However, for this sentence, the translation of Hamilton and Falconer is not good, since it does not make clear that the last part ("but the true reason was his ambition to be lord of all") is also said by Aristobulus - or at least according to Strabo. I must admit, however, that I hadn't checked perseus and apparently the only translation they provide for book sixteen is that of Hamilton and Falconer, so it wouldn't really have mattered. The translation I quoted is from the Loeb Classical Library.regards,abm