Soldiering and Patriotism For Mugs

[jasonxx]

I would like tomraise an imaginary headline in the Macedonian headlines.

"The Macedonian Miltary elite have decide against and forbode The Young Prince Alexander from taking part in any Military operations in southern Greece and or any Military Expeditions. It has been decided Alexanders presence on the battle field would endanger not just himself put put in greater danger those soldiers serving around him. There for Macedonians irespective of Alexanders Military training and position in the armed Forces he will not be allowed to fight or put himself in danger" Never the less as a country we feel it a patriotic duty for the every day soldier to fight and die for his country, Although we will not risk Alexander we expect your sons brothers and fathers to fight and to die"

Now this post will probably get deleted for some obsurd reason. Claiming it nothing to do with Alexander. With this stupid furor about a British stuck up prince it really brings up a Quote by Brad Pitt in Troy to Patrocles. "Dont give up your life following some fools orders"

It beckons throughout wars and history Alexanders time included just how much mugs soldiers with the idea of patriotism really is. Brainwashed and spoon fed the rubbish about fighting for quieen country freedom etc. Its all a lie.

I say for An english soldier to fight and die for Queen and country. Then why not Prince harry risk his own miserly skin for his granny.

kenny

[marcus]

I would like tomraise an imaginary headline in the Macedonian headlines.

"The Macedonian Miltary elite have decide against and forbode The Young Prince Alexander from taking part in any Military operations in southern Greece and or any Military Expeditions. It has been decided Alexanders presence on the battle field would endanger not just himself put put in greater danger those soldiers serving around him. There for Macedonians irespective of Alexanders Military training and position in the armed Forces he will not be allowed to fight or put himself in danger" Never the less as a country we feel it a patriotic duty for the every day soldier to fight and die for his country, Although we will not risk Alexander we expect your sons brothers and fathers to fight and to die"

Now this post will probably get deleted for some obsurd reason. Claiming it nothing to do with Alexander. With this stupid furor about a British stuck up prince it really brings up a Quote by Brad Pitt in Troy to Patrocles. "Dont give up your life following some fools orders"

It beckons throughout wars and history Alexanders time included just how much mugs soldiers with the idea of patriotism really is. Brainwashed and spoon fed the rubbish about fighting for quieen country freedom etc. Its all a lie.

I say for An english soldier to fight and die for Queen and country. Then why not Prince harry risk his own miserly skin for his granny.

kenny

Well, I'm not going to delete it, but I do still ask the question as to what it has to do with Alexander. The situations, culture and context are completely different.

I ought to correct an error, anyway - if Prince Harry were to go to Iraq, he wouldn't be fighting "for his granny"; and as you have never met the young man, it's a bit absurd to make such judgements about his character.

ATB

[keroro]

Kenny - you seem to think that ancient warfare can be justifiably compared to modern warfare. You're wrong. The destructive forces that a modern army (or paramilitary force) can bring to bear are so devastating and can be wielded from such range that Harry's courage, or indeed the valour of his companions has NO bearing whatsoever on how likely he is to get killed. Being a good soldier doesn't mean that you are necessarily going to survive a battle anymore - wheras in Alexander's time it was one of the main things that determined how likely you were to die.

[jasonxx]

Same ideology. Its ok for every other soldiers<husbands. brothers son to die. Yet these silver spooned state scroungers dont risk there skins.

It cost the British tax payer £200.00p to put this free loader through Military academy. To do what stay at home wear a wreath of medals and make bloosy sandwiches which is all the boy can now do.

My argument. If wars were to be fought by the Bourgiasee then there would be no wars.

Soldiers and patriotism is as i said for mugs. The time soldiers say to Bush, Blair etc. Well fight if you give your own a rifle would stop all wars.

[jasonxx]

£ 200 000.00p

[athenas owl]

Same ideology. Its ok for every other soldiers<husbands. brothers son to die. Yet these silver spooned state scroungers dont risk there skins.

It cost the British tax payer £200.00p to put this free loader through Military academy. To do what stay at home wear a wreath of medals and make bloosy sandwiches which is all the boy can now do.

My argument. If wars were to be fought by the Bourgiasee then there would be no wars.

Soldiers and patriotism is as i said for mugs. The time soldiers say to Bush, Blair etc. Well fight if you give your own a rifle would stop all wars.

Kenny, it was my understanding that Prince Harry WANTED to go to Iraq. It was the M.O.D. or some such that vetoed it. Because it would not just be risking him, but every man that served with him, unneccessarily or extraordinarily so. Whether I think that was a good choice or not is somthing else.

Harry Bourgeoisie? Am I missing something in that definition?

[jasonxx]

Every soldier is at maximum risk anyway in that stupid war. Un thought about war and a war we cant just pull out of. Every day normal troopers blasted and blown to bits.Without any good reason.

let at least one pampered prince earn the £200.000 of handout taxpaeyers money to put the dope through military academy.

All you royalist idealist think its ok for the normal guys to be wasted yet these|Bourgouise to be kept safe.

[athenas owl]

Every soldier is at maximum risk anyway in that stupid war. Un thought about war and a war we cant just pull out of. Every day normal troopers blasted and blown to bits.Without any good reason.

let at least one pampered prince earn the £200.000 of handout taxpaeyers money to put the dope through military academy.

All you royalist idealist think its ok for the normal guys to be wasted yet these|Bourgouise to be kept safe.

i would reckomend heading paul Burrel.Ok the guys cashing in but his revelations ant that much off the mark. I doubt any of the princes have the nounce to fight. they are more happy wearing Swatztikkas and falling out of nightclubs. These parasites are upper calss doleys they dont work have proffesions and have been on the biggest benefits fraud for centuries

Kenny...I'm American...believe me, I understand what it means to see "regular" folks get blown to bits for no good reason. I'm just saying it seems your anger is misdirected. Do I think that Harry should be allowed to go fight? Heck yeah...the Bush twins, too. The difference being, Harry apparantly wanted to go. All I'm saying is that this decision didn't come from Harry, but from others who felt threatened by promises from whoever in Iraq to target him (and hence his troops) especially. It would have made the British soldier, every one of them, more in peril. Anything with a British flag could be even more endangered because some yahoo might go the extra mile thinking that Harry was with them.

I take it you are NOT a royalist...


To bring this back to Alexander...yes, I would prefer the leaders of nations who go to war actually lead the troops...it's easy to "sacrifice" when you aren't the one doing the sacrificing.

[jasonxx]

Athena

Your spot on. Some say Alexanders days and todays are not relevent. Indeed they should be. Why is or was it accepted Alexanders. The Philips etc made war. And were involved. The attackers of such people can argue Alexanders etc were out of order in the first place making wars,. But at least they were as we do not as we say syndrome.

Of course im angry and not a Royalist. I would argue it a publicity stunt anyway insisting he wanted to fight. Let this be a learning thing and a little sociology to accept the normal persons roll in life. as people we are meaningless.

the leaders of Today are the parasites and trouble causers for personal gain. Alexander was a leader of guts pride and honour. Tony blair the Devout catholic and Socialist is very much unpopular in his own country. he is canvasing himself in the USA to line his pockets.

Athena . Your sons fathers and daughters go to iraq and wars ever since under the precept of freedom Justice etc. If Goerge Bush and his family had to fight there would be no wars.

Patriotism and soldiering is indeed for mugs.

[athenas owl]

Athena

Your spot on. Some say Alexanders days and todays are not relevent. Indeed they should be. Why is or was it accepted Alexanders. The Philips etc made war. And were involved. The attackers of such people can argue Alexanders etc were out of order in the first place making wars,. But at least they were as we do not as we say syndrome.

Of course im angry and not a Royalist. I would argue it a publicity stunt anyway insisting he wanted to fight. Let this be a learning thing and a little sociology to accept the normal persons roll in life. as people we are meaningless.

the leaders of Today are the parasites and trouble causers for personal gain. Alexander was a leader of guts pride and honour. Tony blair the Devout catholic and Socialist is very much unpopular in his own country. he is canvasing himself in the USA to line his pockets.

Athena . Your sons fathers and daughters go to iraq and wars ever since under the precept of freedom Justice etc. If Goerge Bush and his family had to fight there would be no wars.

Patriotism and soldiering is indeed for mugs.

Well in this country until a bit over three decades ago, there was a draft so people served whether they wanted to or not. I can't say for the UK. Anyone who signs up now, does so of their own free will right? Same here now... (except I notice a dearth ff American upper class kids signing up...there are a few, but the military is considered for "mugs"). But then, wasn't it the same in the ancient world? To an extent...the common soldier was a mug then, too...the only difference was that the upper classses did fight and die as well. It was the way to wealth and honour in warrior societies.

Even in the mid century both our countries (in fact most countries had the sons of the wealthy and privileged serving and in some cases dying...from a Kennedy to the Duke of Kent. The sons of Presiedents and some future presidents, Ford, Carter, Kennedy, and Bush Sr...all served in battle. Reagan and Nixon were in the service but did not see action, I believe...didn't the Duke of York fight in a war, too? The Falklands.

People are "voting" with their feet now in regards to military service...fewer signing up for the military...this country has raised the enlistment age to 42 because they are desperate for bodies.

Did the Macedonians have a draft? Or were the "recruits" joining up because it seemed more glorious and profitable to go east?

[amyntoros]

Did the Macedonians have a draft? Or were the "recruits" joining up because it seemed more glorious and profitable to go east?

Definitely a draft – from the upper classes as well as the not so wealthy. And they didn’t always want to go! Amyntas, whilst defending himself after the trial of Philotas, had this to say:

Curtius XII.1.37- 40 '… You will concede the point I am going to make. You remember saying, when you sent me to bring recruits from Macedonia, that a large number of able-bodied young men were in hiding at your mother’s residence. [38] You instructed me accordingly to pay attention to no one but you and to deliver to you the men trying to avoid military service. Which is just what I did, following your instructions with less caution than was good for me. I brought from there Gorgias, Hecataeus and Gorgatas, who have been serving you well. [39] What can be more unfair than that I should now perish for obeying you, when in fact I would have deserved punishment if I had not obeyed you? For the only reason your mother has for victimizing us is that we set your welfare above a woman’s favour. [40] I brought here 6,000 Macedonian infantry and 600 cavalry, some of whom would not have come with me had I been willing to connive at those refusing to serve. It follows, therefore, since this is the reason for her anger with us, that you should placate your mother, being the one who exposed us to her displeasure.’

Best regards,

[marcus]

Every soldier is at maximum risk anyway in that stupid war. Un thought about war and a war we cant just pull out of. Every day normal troopers blasted and blown to bits.Without any good reason.

That's true - although there are certainly some who would argue that they are there for a "good reason".

let at least one pampered prince earn the £200.000 of handout taxpaeyers money to put the dope through military academy.

As has already been said - Harry wanted to go. It costs the taxpayer £200,000 to put anyone through Sandhurst, though, pampered or not, so I'm not entirely sure why this should be relevant as part of an attack on Prince Harry.

All you royalist idealist think its ok for the normal guys to be wasted yet these|Bourgouise to be kept safe.

I'm not aware that there are any royalist "idealists" on this forum; and if there are they haven't said anything, and they definitely haven't said anything about it being OK for "normal guys to be wasted" whilst keeping the "Bourgoiuse" safe.

For what it's worth, and if this produces another personal attack from you then so be it - Prince Harry is most definitely not Bourgeoise.

Can we make this relevant to Alexander, please? If you want to vent your spleen against the Royal Family that is your prerogative; but please do it somewhere else where it will be relevant. I am going to start deleting these messages soon, unless you can make your points relevant to what this forum is all about.

ATB

[jasonxx]

Off you go again with the deletion thing. I wonder if you get some little power kick with this little power you have. Do your eyes rotate in your little head when you hit the delete button.

For your information the post has everything to do with Alexander.or did your singular brain cell miss the Princes Royalty etc and there contributions or not on the battle field. If this aint to do with Alexander delete all the posts that dont have anything to do with Alexander or is It that your selective with what you think relevent. Id really like to delete you tongue from your tiny head.

[marcus]

For your information the post has everything to do with Alexander.or did your singular brain cell miss the Princes Royalty etc and there contributions or not on the battle field. If this aint to do with Alexander delete all the posts that dont have anything to do with Alexander or is It that your selective with what you think relevent. Id really like to delete you tongue from your tiny head.

Explain how. To me it looks like nothing but a rant against the Royal Family. And yes, I did delete a paragraph that was two or three sentences of vitriol, and which served no purpose in furthering your argument - an argument the relevance of which I still don't understand. If you could calm down a bit, cut out the bile and explain more clearly what the point is, then perhaps you wouldn't have to complain about things being deleted.

You might also like to cut out the personal insults. I'm not really that fussed, to be honest, but it isn't nice to be the recipient of such comments. If you want to insult me, please do so via PM.

ATB